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ExternalBleeding
08-07-2011, 01:51 PM
My friend recently came across this crossbow, sadly, it's slightly damaged but can be repaired. I'd like the figure out the whatever I possibly can about this crossbow. Thank you.

This is what appears to be the crossbow:

http://www.stun-ningsales.com/sportstore/sportstore_images/crossbows/crossbow180.jpg

And this is it:

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/6783/saultstemarie2011080600.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/saultstemarie2011080600.jpg/)

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6783/saultstemarie2011080600.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/269/saultstemarie2011080600.jpg/)

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6783/saultstemarie2011080600.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/saultstemarie2011080600.jpg/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6783/saultstemarie2011080600.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/saultstemarie2011080600.jpg/)

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6783/saultstemarie2011080600.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/saultstemarie2011080600.jpg/)

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http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6783/saultstemarie2011080600.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/saultstemarie2011080600.jpg/)

What I found on the Internet:

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6783/saultstemarie2011080600.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/saultstemarie2011080600.jpg/)

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9740/saultstemarie2011080600d.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/saultstemarie2011080600d.jpg/)

Jack Pine
08-07-2011, 07:02 PM
That is a Man Kung, made in Taiwan. It is NOT a 180 lb draw as advertised, it is a SERIES 180, an actual 130 lb draw weight. Some unscrupulous vendors have been advertising them as 180 lb draw and they definitely ARE NOT. Yours is different than the one you have in the picture ad, that one has limbs that fold back, yours does not appear to.

ExternalBleeding
08-07-2011, 08:26 PM
That is a Man Kung, made in Taiwan. It is NOT a 180 lb draw as advertised, it is a SERIES 180, an actual 130 lb draw weight. Some unscrupulous vendors have been advertising them as 180 lb draw and they definitely ARE NOT. Yours is different than the one you have in the picture ad, that one has limbs that fold back, yours does not appear to.

Thanks Jack Pine. I had a feeling the bow didn't actually have 180 IB draw. My friend's friend (well kind of a friend. The guy's a slimeball, but that's a different story) found this in a storage locker he had to clean out at work. I'm glad you caught the false advertising as I'd hate to sell someone something with the wrong information. The crossbow itself is significantly shorter than that of my fathers, which is barely the legal length. So another question I have is: Is this bow legal in Ontario, Canada?

Also, as I'm a newby to crossbows (I'm more into rifles, sorry!) what type of repairs would this crossbow need? How much would the repairs cost? And how much could we sell the crossbow (with and without the repairs)? And if possible, please give me an estimate in Canadian Dollars.

Thanks.

ExternalBleeding
08-07-2011, 08:32 PM
Also, might I add, this seems to me like it's more of the Man Kung MK-120 model.

Man Kung MK-120:

http://www.archery-manufacturer.com/rimages/677/crossbow-MK-120-b.jpg

Man Kung MK-180

http://www.archery-manufacturer.com/rimages/677/crossbow-MK-180-b.jpg

My friends crossbow

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6783/saultstemarie2011080600.jpg

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6783/saultstemarie2011080600.jpg


EDIT: Is there any way to test the functionality of this weapon without getting a string and bolt for it? (I'm sorry if I am using the wrong terms, but I'm JUST learning more and more about crossbows today!)

Jack Pine
08-08-2011, 09:13 AM
Good catch EB, it is indeed a 120, the one in the ad with the folding limbs is the 180 series. The one you have will draw 100-120 lb. I have a 150 lb MK that I bought a replacement limb/prod for that was supposed to be 150 lb, but scaled an actual 100 lb. Sent the 100 lb prod back and put a 175 on it.

Hard to tell from your pix, but it looks like the only things missing would be the string, the sighting system, and the plastic end caps for the ends of the prod. Whoever owned it probably took the sights off to mount a scope. Most will take a scope with .22 mounts, not weaver. You can get a string [I seem to remember the caps being included] and possibly replacement sight at www dot thecrossbowstore dot com for around $10 US for the string, don't know about the sights. Sorry I can't help you with the $C to $US conversion, your money may well be worth more than ours now [thank you Mr. President].

As for what it's worth, unfortunately not a lot. I bought a new MK 150 lb from the site above on 20% off sale for $80 brand new. I have seen their discounts run as high as 25% around black friday, and some of their new 150 lb crossbows can be bought in the $60 or less range then. I'm guessing the actual value of what you have in its present condition would be about $25-35 tops.

As for Ontario regs, I can't help you. I used to own some land up by Blind River, but I never hunted there. Canadian [like Michigan] hunting is over-regulated and complicated beyond belief, you'll just have to read up on the regs. I will say this: I killed deer with my Man Kung 150 lb. but 30 yards is the absolute maximum yardage for this to be effective. I shot a 15" 2219 aluminum arrow tipped with Scorpion XP mechanical broadheads. At 32 yards it will penetrate only 1 side of the deer. The crossbow you have is not a toy, but would only be effective to max 20 yards for hunting IF YOU"RE A GOOD SHOTAND PERSISTENT TRACKER WHO DOESN'T PUSH WOUNDED ANIMALS. I really don't recommend your crossbow for deer hunting, shooting hunting weight arrows will only fly about 170fps. If you insist on shooting deer with it, give them an hour to lay down and die before you go after it unless you see it pile up.

To make mine effective out to 35 yards, I bought a 175 lb prod from Arrow Precision Co for about $40. I don't know if this will work on yours, looks like it might. Problem is, assuming you paid something for it, when you put the $60 or more required to make it good to hunt with, you have invested more than a new one would cost. The other problem is, the trigger box is made from extremely light materials that don't like the extra strain from the more powerful prod. It would be better to buy something more powerful to begin with if you ever have plans to hunt. Mine is only for a backup.

The trigger box on yours works differently than mine, but on mine, if I wanted to test to see if it will work, I would take a popsicle stick or similar device, slide it back to the string latch, pull the trigger so the latch will set, pull the string latch into the firing position, releasing the trigger, then pull the trigger and the string latch should go forward as it would when releasing the string. If it won't go forward, make sure the safety is in the firing position, and you might have to put forward pressure behind the string latch to similate the force of the string. If you spend the $ to get the parts for it, you will also need a stringer or you can make your own. Hope this helps.

Jack ><>

ExternalBleeding
08-09-2011, 02:37 AM
Good catch EB, it is indeed a 120, the one in the ad with the folding limbs is the 180 series. The one you have will draw 100-120 lb. I have a 150 lb MK that I bought a replacement limb/prod for that was supposed to be 150 lb, but scaled an actual 100 lb. Sent the 100 lb prod back and put a 175 on it.

I see. So essentially, this crossbow would be for nothing more than stuff such as practice, as I can't see much use for a crossbow with that low of a draw weight and FPS other than shooting at targets and getting beginners use to the feel of a crossbow (it's significantly light, short and easy to handle).

Hard to tell from your pix, but it looks like the only things missing would be the string, the sighting system, and the plastic end caps for the ends of the prod. Whoever owned it probably took the sights off to mount a scope. Most will take a scope with .22 mounts, not weaver. You can get a string [I seem to remember the caps being included] and possibly replacement sight at www dot thecrossbowstore dot com for around $10 US for the string, don't know about the sights. Sorry I can't help you with the $C to $US conversion, your money may well be worth more than ours now [thank you Mr. President].

So essentially, I'm looking at the price of a new crossbow if I pay to repair this one just to resell it? Me, neither my friend are quite interested in keeping this crossbow as even being a beginner with crossbows, can tell this was not made very sturdy or effective just by holding it. So he's decided to sell it for whatever price he can. As for the CAD to USD conversion, I do believe we're quite a bit over yours at the moment... Let me check actually. According to Google.ca "1 U.S. dollar = 0.994797211 Canadian dollars".

As for what it's worth, unfortunately not a lot. I bought a new MK 150 lb from the site above on 20% off sale for $80 brand new. I have seen their discounts run as high as 25% around black friday, and some of their new 150 lb crossbows can be bought in the $60 or less range then. I'm guessing the actual value of what you have in its present condition would be about $25-35 tops.

Yeah that's pretty much what he's been trying to sell it for. 30 CAD. He's had about 3 people say they're going to go check it out.

As for Ontario regs, I can't help you. I used to own some land up by Blind River, but I never hunted there. Canadian [like Michigan] hunting is over-regulated and complicated beyond belief, you'll just have to read up on the regs. I will say this: I killed deer with my Man Kung 150 lb. but 30 yards is the absolute maximum yardage for this to be effective. I shot a 15" 2219 aluminum arrow tipped with Scorpion XP mechanical broadheads. At 32 yards it will penetrate only 1 side of the deer. The crossbow you have is not a toy, but would only be effective to max 20 yards for hunting IF YOU"RE A GOOD SHOTAND PERSISTENT TRACKER WHO DOESN'T PUSH WOUNDED ANIMALS. I really don't recommend your crossbow for deer hunting, shooting hunting weight arrows will only fly about 170fps. If you insist on shooting deer with it, give them an hour to lay down and die before you go after it unless you see it pile up.

Yeah, our hunting regulations are way over-regulated. Being 17, even after I've passed my Firearms and Acquisitions License with a 99% (100% on the practical/hands-on and 98% on my written exam. Sadly, the only reason I got a 98% was because the question wasn't taught to us and the instructor told me if I'd have asked him about it he'd have told me the answer, but he had to mark it wrong because I circled the wrong answer...) I'm not even allowed to hunt with my father with my own firearm. Unless of course I end up getting something along the lines of a "carriers permit" where I'm allowed to carry my own firearm within a certain distance of my father. That's just one of the many things I do not agree with our laws pertaining to hunting and firearms.

To make mine effective out to 35 yards, I bought a 175 lb prod from Arrow Precision Co for about $40. I don't know if this will work on yours, looks like it might. Problem is, assuming you paid something for it, when you put the $60 or more required to make it good to hunt with, you have invested more than a new one would cost. The other problem is, the trigger box is made from extremely light materials that don't like the extra strain from the more powerful prod. It would be better to buy something more powerful to begin with if you ever have plans to hunt. Mine is only for a backup.

We paid nothing for it. My friends "friend" if you can call him that gave it to him for free as he cleans out storage lockers and gets to keep whatever is inside. Besides, my friend is just trying to make a bit of cash at the moment because he has things to pay for and he's quite tight for money at the moment.

The trigger box on yours works differently than mine, but on mine, if I wanted to test to see if it will work, I would take a popsicle stick or similar device, slide it back to the string latch, pull the trigger so the latch will set, pull the string latch into the firing position, releasing the trigger, then pull the trigger and the string latch should go forward as it would when releasing the string. If it won't go forward, make sure the safety is in the firing position, and you might have to put forward pressure behind the string latch to similate the force of the string. If you spend the $ to get the parts for it, you will also need a stringer or you can make your own. Hope this helps.

Ahhh there we go. I was trying to think of an object to test it with but never had the time (tried it with a marker and it was hella-too big!

Jack ><>

Thanks Jack, you've been a great help! I hope I can manage to stay active on this board because I'm becoming more and more interested in crossbows and I'm debating on buying the one off of my father the day I turn 18. It's a fairly old one. All made of wood apart from the umm... action (I'm not sure what it's called in crossbow terms to be quite honest), stirrup, prod and the sight, which all appear to be made of steel. Quite the piece. Shoots at somewhere around 185FPS and has a draw weight of about 145-150IBS (assuming. I might ask once I get in touch with him again to get the make and model number as well as all the modifications made on it).

Jack Pine
08-09-2011, 03:46 AM
EB, if bowfishing for carp is legal in your province, your crossbow would make a pretty good fisher, just get a string, caps, and some sort of sight along with a solid fiberglass arrow and reel and you're in biz. Otherwise, I'd stick to rabbits, tree rats, birds, and fox.

Jack ><>

sharky
01-03-2013, 04:30 PM
HI, i got the 150lb.MK.? well, i thought it was at first, but i was thinking detaching the two prods and fitting a single 150lb prod, but do you think the trigger will hold well enough?

Joe T.
01-03-2013, 07:28 PM
Welcome to the forum EB and Sharky!

EB - Jack was dead-on about it being a MK120 Tactical. I bought one for my grandson, $59.00 new with 8 bolts and free shipping... It's fun to shoot with open sights, but the buttstock is too short for me to shoot with a scope. That threaded stud on top doesn't come out from the top, and to mount a scope, you need to turn it clockwise and screw it down until it stops against the trigger box. It fits my 12 year old grandson well, but he's a small kid. His 6 year old brother is nearly as big...

sharky - If you have the 2-limb MK, it's a model 180, 130 lb. draw. The single limb mounts totally differently, so that's a no-go. BUT I have seen advertisements for another brand which appears for all intents and purposes to be a clone of the MK 180, except for the stirrup mounting, which folds under. It's being advertised as a 180 lb. draw at 250 fps. But take it with a grain of salt... The same seller advertises another (well-known) recurve at 305 fps, whereas the manufacturer rates it at 245 fps... I believe it's being sold under the Eagle brand, but I have not been able to determine the actual manufacturer, so I can't quote mfg. specs.

Joe T.